GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hello all, The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what the future of the group should be. Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future Directions page (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future). These include * What should the group's goals and activities be? * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how should it be selected? The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the group. If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the group. Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post. Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen. Thanks, Dave C. -- http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2013 http://galaxyproject.org/ http://getgalaxy.org/ http://usegalaxy.org/ http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/
Hello, Based on my observations and interactions during the past few meet-ups and as an administrator of Galaxy, the current goals of the group [1] remain relevant and are being met through the meet-ups. An additional benefit to these meet-ups that has evolved is an update from a member of the Galaxy team on upcoming features and other developments. With regard to the future of the group, my suggestion is to keep it going and work towards building a full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating. This will strengthen the community, possibly drive increased adoption, and further serve to guide development of Galaxy. Appointing one of more leaders (one each from the Galaxy team and user community) to identify speakers, drive the agenda, set a cadence to the meet-ups and drive the formation of a user group would be helpful, IMHO. Thanks! Notes: 1. Build a community, learn from each other From: Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org<mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> Date: Monday, April 1, 2013 11:07 AM To: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>> Subject: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions? Hello all, The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what the future of the group should be. Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future Directions page (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future). These include * What should the group's goals and activities be? * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how should it be selected? The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the group. If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the group. Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post. Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen. Thanks, Dave C. -- http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2013 http://galaxyproject.org/ http://getgalaxy.org/ http://usegalaxy.org/ http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/
Hi Srinivas Thank you very much for e-mail...and thereby reminding me that I haven't replied to Dave's call a week ago. I second most of your thoughts. However, I am not sure of the idea of creating a "full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating". I like it, but how do you intend to distinguish this group from the current '[galaxy-dev]' group/community? I am afraid stuff will get lost between the two groups or it leads to duplication.....probably something we need to discuss in Oslo? I am definitively in favor of a dual leadership - one person from the admin community and one from the Galaxy team. Regards, Hans-Rudolf PS: Do you have stats of who (or how many) has taken part in the past "meetups"? I think the numbers have been much smaller than the number of responses to Ann's original proposal last April. On 04/05/2013 10:43 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
Hello,
Based on my observations and interactions during the past few meet-ups and as an administrator of Galaxy, the current goals of the group [1] remain relevant and are being met through the meet-ups. An additional benefit to these meet-ups that has evolved is an update from a member of the Galaxy team on upcoming features and other developments.
With regard to the future of the group, my suggestion is to keep it going and work towards building a full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating. This will strengthen the community, possibly drive increased adoption, and further serve to guide development of Galaxy.
Appointing one of more leaders (one each from the Galaxy team and user community) to identify speakers, drive the agenda, set a cadence to the meet-ups and drive the formation of a user group would be helpful, IMHO.
Thanks!
Notes: 1. Build a community, learn from each other
From: Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org <mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> Date: Monday, April 1, 2013 11:07 AM To: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu <mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>> Subject: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hello all,
The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what the future of the group should be.
Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future Directions page (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future). These include
* What should the group's goals and activities be? * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how should it be selected? The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the group. If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the group. Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post.
Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen.
Thanks,
Dave C.
-- http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2013 http://galaxyproject.org/ http://getgalaxy.org/ http://usegalaxy.org/ http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/
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Hi Hans, Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to advocate for an overlapping group but rather to identify means to strengthen the existing dev and user group interactions. There might, however, be some value in evaluating whether we are at a point, in terms of number of deployment and support models for the same, wherein a Galaxy admin specific group or mailing list would make sense. We have had an estimated six to ten participants at the meet-ups that have occurred since September 2012. Best regards, Srinivas. -----Original Message----- From: Hans-Rudolf Hotz <hrh@fmi.ch> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 3:21 AM To: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>, Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org> Cc: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hi Srinivas
Thank you very much for e-mail...and thereby reminding me that I haven't replied to Dave's call a week ago.
I second most of your thoughts. However, I am not sure of the idea of creating a "full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating". I like it, but how do you intend to distinguish this group from the current '[galaxy-dev]' group/community? I am afraid stuff will get lost between the two groups or it leads to duplication.....probably something we need to discuss in Oslo?
I am definitively in favor of a dual leadership - one person from the admin community and one from the Galaxy team.
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
PS: Do you have stats of who (or how many) has taken part in the past "meetups"? I think the numbers have been much smaller than the number of responses to Ann's original proposal last April.
On 04/05/2013 10:43 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
Hello,
Based on my observations and interactions during the past few meet-ups and as an administrator of Galaxy, the current goals of the group [1] remain relevant and are being met through the meet-ups. An additional benefit to these meet-ups that has evolved is an update from a member of the Galaxy team on upcoming features and other developments.
With regard to the future of the group, my suggestion is to keep it going and work towards building a full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating. This will strengthen the community, possibly drive increased adoption, and further serve to guide development of Galaxy.
Appointing one of more leaders (one each from the Galaxy team and user community) to identify speakers, drive the agenda, set a cadence to the meet-ups and drive the formation of a user group would be helpful, IMHO.
Thanks!
Notes: 1. Build a community, learn from each other
From: Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org <mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> Date: Monday, April 1, 2013 11:07 AM To: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu <mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>> Subject: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hello all,
The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what the future of the group should be.
Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future Directions page (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future). These include
* What should the group's goals and activities be? * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how should it be selected? The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the group. If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the group. Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post.
Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen.
Thanks,
Dave C.
-- http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2013 http://galaxyproject.org/ http://getgalaxy.org/ http://usegalaxy.org/ http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/
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Hello all, First, thanks to Srinivas and Hans for the responses. I have kept track of the head counts for most meetups: 2012/07/07 27 2012/07/27 ? (in person meetup at GCC2012) 2012/09/19 10 2012/11/07 17 2013/01/16 14 2013/03/20 15 So, maybe converging on mid-teens? This number is not as high as I had hoped. Srinivas, is there any way to tell how many times the screencasts have been watched afterword? I'm see the group as complimentary to Galaxy-Dev, and I am leaning towards creating a Galaxy-Admins maling list that is purely about the group and group activities (Ann BZ's idea originally). It would not be a support channel and any stray support postings would get redirected to Galaxy-Dev (or Galaxy-User, if that's where they belong). We would still post activities to Galaxy-Dev as well, but any group business (like this discussion) would happen only on Galaxy-Admins. On the group leadership issue I very much want the group to be led by people that are not part of the core team. I am quite willing to continue to fill the "supportive" role I've been doing for the past year. If GalaxyAdmins is to become a voice for the community at some point in the future, it should very definitely not be led by the core team. However, if our future consists only of bi-monthly meetups (which have been great!) then it does not matter as much. My 2p, Dave C On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>wrote:
Hi Hans,
Thanks for the response.
I didn't mean to advocate for an overlapping group but rather to identify means to strengthen the existing dev and user group interactions. There might, however, be some value in evaluating whether we are at a point, in terms of number of deployment and support models for the same, wherein a Galaxy admin specific group or mailing list would make sense.
We have had an estimated six to ten participants at the meet-ups that have occurred since September 2012.
Best regards, Srinivas.
-----Original Message----- From: Hans-Rudolf Hotz <hrh@fmi.ch> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 3:21 AM To: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>, Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org> Cc: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hi Srinivas
Thank you very much for e-mail...and thereby reminding me that I haven't replied to Dave's call a week ago.
I second most of your thoughts. However, I am not sure of the idea of creating a "full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating". I like it, but how do you intend to distinguish this group from the current '[galaxy-dev]' group/community? I am afraid stuff will get lost between the two groups or it leads to duplication.....probably something we need to discuss in Oslo?
I am definitively in favor of a dual leadership - one person from the admin community and one from the Galaxy team.
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
PS: Do you have stats of who (or how many) has taken part in the past "meetups"? I think the numbers have been much smaller than the number of responses to Ann's original proposal last April.
On 04/05/2013 10:43 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
Hello,
Based on my observations and interactions during the past few meet-ups and as an administrator of Galaxy, the current goals of the group [1] remain relevant and are being met through the meet-ups. An additional benefit to these meet-ups that has evolved is an update from a member of the Galaxy team on upcoming features and other developments.
With regard to the future of the group, my suggestion is to keep it going and work towards building a full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating. This will strengthen the community, possibly drive increased adoption, and further serve to guide development of Galaxy.
Appointing one of more leaders (one each from the Galaxy team and user community) to identify speakers, drive the agenda, set a cadence to the meet-ups and drive the formation of a user group would be helpful, IMHO.
Thanks!
Notes: 1. Build a community, learn from each other
From: Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org <mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> Date: Monday, April 1, 2013 11:07 AM To: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu <mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>> Subject: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hello all,
The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what the future of the group should be.
Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future Directions page (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future). These include
* What should the group's goals and activities be? * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how should it be selected? The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the group. If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the group. Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post.
Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen.
Thanks,
Dave C.
-- http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2013 http://galaxyproject.org/ http://getgalaxy.org/ http://usegalaxy.org/ http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/
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Hello all, Just some minor updates to refresh this thread. Most of this will be described in more detail in separate emails over the next two weeks. First, the next web meetup will be May 15. We haven't nailed down a main speaker yet, but Dannon Baker will be giving the project update. Second, I've created a Birds-of-a-Feather (BoF) session at GCC2013 to continue, and maybe just finish, this discussion in person at the meeting (see http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Events/GCC2013/BoF/GalaxyAdmins). If you are interested in participating in that BoF, either send me an email, or add your name to that wiki page. (We will officially announce GCC2013 BoFs in a few weeks - after the poster abstract deadline, but feel free to get a head start and add your own now. :-) Third, should we start a separate email list for GalaxyAdmins business? It would have far fewer members and have far less traffic than Galaxy-Dev. I'm in favor of it. If you have an opinion, please post here. Thanks, Dave C On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org>wrote:
Hello all,
First, thanks to Srinivas and Hans for the responses.
I have kept track of the head counts for most meetups:
2012/07/07 27 2012/07/27 ? (in person meetup at GCC2012) 2012/09/19 10 2012/11/07 17 2013/01/16 14 2013/03/20 15
So, maybe converging on mid-teens? This number is not as high as I had hoped. Srinivas, is there any way to tell how many times the screencasts have been watched afterword?
I'm see the group as complimentary to Galaxy-Dev, and I am leaning towards creating a Galaxy-Admins maling list that is purely about the group and group activities (Ann BZ's idea originally). It would not be a support channel and any stray support postings would get redirected to Galaxy-Dev (or Galaxy-User, if that's where they belong). We would still post activities to Galaxy-Dev as well, but any group business (like this discussion) would happen only on Galaxy-Admins.
On the group leadership issue I very much want the group to be led by people that are not part of the core team. I am quite willing to continue to fill the "supportive" role I've been doing for the past year. If GalaxyAdmins is to become a voice for the community at some point in the future, it should very definitely not be led by the core team. However, if our future consists only of bi-monthly meetups (which have been great!) then it does not matter as much.
My 2p,
Dave C
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas < srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu> wrote:
Hi Hans,
Thanks for the response.
I didn't mean to advocate for an overlapping group but rather to identify means to strengthen the existing dev and user group interactions. There might, however, be some value in evaluating whether we are at a point, in terms of number of deployment and support models for the same, wherein a Galaxy admin specific group or mailing list would make sense.
We have had an estimated six to ten participants at the meet-ups that have occurred since September 2012.
Best regards, Srinivas.
-----Original Message----- From: Hans-Rudolf Hotz <hrh@fmi.ch> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 3:21 AM To: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>, Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org> Cc: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hi Srinivas
Thank you very much for e-mail...and thereby reminding me that I haven't replied to Dave's call a week ago.
I second most of your thoughts. However, I am not sure of the idea of creating a "full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating". I like it, but how do you intend to distinguish this group from the current '[galaxy-dev]' group/community? I am afraid stuff will get lost between the two groups or it leads to duplication.....probably something we need to discuss in Oslo?
I am definitively in favor of a dual leadership - one person from the admin community and one from the Galaxy team.
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
PS: Do you have stats of who (or how many) has taken part in the past "meetups"? I think the numbers have been much smaller than the number of responses to Ann's original proposal last April.
On 04/05/2013 10:43 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
Hello,
Based on my observations and interactions during the past few meet-ups and as an administrator of Galaxy, the current goals of the group [1] remain relevant and are being met through the meet-ups. An additional benefit to these meet-ups that has evolved is an update from a member of the Galaxy team on upcoming features and other developments.
With regard to the future of the group, my suggestion is to keep it going and work towards building a full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating. This will strengthen the community, possibly drive increased adoption, and further serve to guide development of Galaxy.
Appointing one of more leaders (one each from the Galaxy team and user community) to identify speakers, drive the agenda, set a cadence to the meet-ups and drive the formation of a user group would be helpful, IMHO.
Thanks!
Notes: 1. Build a community, learn from each other
From: Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org <mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> Date: Monday, April 1, 2013 11:07 AM To: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu <mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>> Subject: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hello all,
The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what the future of the group should be.
Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future Directions page (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future). These include
* What should the group's goals and activities be? * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how should it be selected? The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the group. If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the group. Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post.
Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen.
Thanks,
Dave C.
-- http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2013 http://galaxyproject.org/ http://getgalaxy.org/ http://usegalaxy.org/ http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/
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Third, should we start a separate email list for GalaxyAdmins business? It would have far fewer members and have far less traffic than Galaxy-Dev. I'm in favor of it. If you have an opinion, please post here.
May want to wait until after we determine the future direction for the group unless the overhead in creating and maintaining it is low. From: Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org<mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:55 PM To: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu<mailto:srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>> Cc: Hans-Rudolf Hotz <hrh@fmi.ch<mailto:hrh@fmi.ch>>, Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>> Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions? Hello all, Just some minor updates to refresh this thread. Most of this will be described in more detail in separate emails over the next two weeks. First, the next web meetup will be May 15. We haven't nailed down a main speaker yet, but Dannon Baker will be giving the project update. Second, I've created a Birds-of-a-Feather (BoF) session at GCC2013 to continue, and maybe just finish, this discussion in person at the meeting (see http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Events/GCC2013/BoF/GalaxyAdmins). If you are interested in participating in that BoF, either send me an email, or add your name to that wiki page. (We will officially announce GCC2013 BoFs in a few weeks - after the poster abstract deadline, but feel free to get a head start and add your own now. :-) Third, should we start a separate email list for GalaxyAdmins business? It would have far fewer members and have far less traffic than Galaxy-Dev. I'm in favor of it. If you have an opinion, please post here. Thanks, Dave C On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org<mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> wrote: Hello all, First, thanks to Srinivas and Hans for the responses. I have kept track of the head counts for most meetups: 2012/07/07 27 2012/07/27 ? (in person meetup at GCC2012) 2012/09/19 10 2012/11/07 17 2013/01/16 14 2013/03/20 15 So, maybe converging on mid-teens? This number is not as high as I had hoped. Srinivas, is there any way to tell how many times the screencasts have been watched afterword? I'm see the group as complimentary to Galaxy-Dev, and I am leaning towards creating a Galaxy-Admins maling list that is purely about the group and group activities (Ann BZ's idea originally). It would not be a support channel and any stray support postings would get redirected to Galaxy-Dev (or Galaxy-User, if that's where they belong). We would still post activities to Galaxy-Dev as well, but any group business (like this discussion) would happen only on Galaxy-Admins. On the group leadership issue I very much want the group to be led by people that are not part of the core team. I am quite willing to continue to fill the "supportive" role I've been doing for the past year. If GalaxyAdmins is to become a voice for the community at some point in the future, it should very definitely not be led by the core team. However, if our future consists only of bi-monthly meetups (which have been great!) then it does not matter as much. My 2p, Dave C On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu<mailto:srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>> wrote: Hi Hans, Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to advocate for an overlapping group but rather to identify means to strengthen the existing dev and user group interactions. There might, however, be some value in evaluating whether we are at a point, in terms of number of deployment and support models for the same, wherein a Galaxy admin specific group or mailing list would make sense. We have had an estimated six to ten participants at the meet-ups that have occurred since September 2012. Best regards, Srinivas. -----Original Message----- From: Hans-Rudolf Hotz <hrh@fmi.ch<mailto:hrh@fmi.ch>> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 3:21 AM To: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu<mailto:srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>>, Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org<mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>> Cc: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>> Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hi Srinivas
Thank you very much for e-mail...and thereby reminding me that I haven't replied to Dave's call a week ago.
I second most of your thoughts. However, I am not sure of the idea of creating a "full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating". I like it, but how do you intend to distinguish this group from the current '[galaxy-dev]' group/community? I am afraid stuff will get lost between the two groups or it leads to duplication.....probably something we need to discuss in Oslo?
I am definitively in favor of a dual leadership - one person from the admin community and one from the Galaxy team.
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
PS: Do you have stats of who (or how many) has taken part in the past "meetups"? I think the numbers have been much smaller than the number of responses to Ann's original proposal last April.
On 04/05/2013 10:43 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
Hello,
Based on my observations and interactions during the past few meet-ups and as an administrator of Galaxy, the current goals of the group [1] remain relevant and are being met through the meet-ups. An additional benefit to these meet-ups that has evolved is an update from a member of the Galaxy team on upcoming features and other developments.
With regard to the future of the group, my suggestion is to keep it going and work towards building a full-fledged user group with additional opportunities for sharing, learning and collaborating. This will strengthen the community, possibly drive increased adoption, and further serve to guide development of Galaxy.
Appointing one of more leaders (one each from the Galaxy team and user community) to identify speakers, drive the agenda, set a cadence to the meet-ups and drive the formation of a user group would be helpful, IMHO.
Thanks!
Notes: 1. Build a community, learn from each other
From: Dave Clements <clements@galaxyproject.org<mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org> <mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org<mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>>> Date: Monday, April 1, 2013 11:07 AM To: Galaxy Dev List <galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu> <mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu<mailto:galaxy-dev@bx.psu.edu>>> Subject: [galaxy-dev] GalaxyAdmins Group: Future Directions?
Hello all,
The GalaxyAdmins group is coming up on it's one year anniversary (coinciding with GCC2013) and this is a good opportunity to discuss what the future of the group should be.
Some starting topics for discussion are on the GalaxyAdmins Future Directions page (http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Community/GalaxyAdmins/Future). These include
* What should the group's goals and activities be? * What type of leadership structure should the group have, and how should it be selected? The discussion, however, is wide open to any topic relevant to the group. If you have any opinions or suggestions please reply to the group. Anyone with an interest in the group is encouraged to post.
Once the discussion settles, I will summarize the discussion on the wiki page and suggest an action plan for making those things happen.
Thanks,
Dave C.
-- http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2013 http://galaxyproject.org/ http://getgalaxy.org/ http://usegalaxy.org/ http://wiki.galaxyproject.org/
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On 04/24/2013 08:00 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
Third, should we start a separate email list for GalaxyAdmins business? It would have far fewer members and have far less traffic than Galaxy-Dev. I'm in favor of it. If you have an opinion, please post here.
May want to wait until after we determine the future direction for the group unless the overhead in creating and maintaining it is low.
yes, we should wait till we made some decisions about the future of the group. I am still concerned yet another mailing list will just lead to duplications Regards, Hans-Rudolf
I agree that we shouldn't be hasty, but my two cents is that the galaxy-dev list should be split in two. Ironically, I think most of the traffic on this list right now is related to deployment issues - in that respect I would see it almost as Galaxy admins stay here and developer chatter move to a new list. (This could hopefully be accomplished with e-mail aliases or something). The nature of my interactions with Galaxy is such that I would still follow both lists, but I know there are people out there who have Galaxy deployed but don't really do any development per se, and I have talked to at least one such person who told me he does not follow this list because there is too much traffic. I don't think these people need to see my thoughts on a syntax for securing tool XML files or Peter's thoughts on the tool shed. Long story short, I love the sound of my own voice and I would be less self conscious about that if there were two lists :). -John On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Hans-Rudolf Hotz <hrh@fmi.ch> wrote:
On 04/24/2013 08:00 PM, Maddhi, Srinivas wrote:
Third, should we start a separate email list for GalaxyAdmins business? It would have far fewer members and have far less traffic than Galaxy-Dev. I'm in favor of it. If you have an opinion, please post here.
May want to wait until after we determine the future direction for the group unless the overhead in creating and maintaining it is low.
yes, we should wait till we made some decisions about the future of the group. I am still concerned yet another mailing list will just lead to duplications
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:19 PM, John Chilton <chilton@msi.umn.edu> wrote:
I agree that we shouldn't be hasty, but my two cents is that the galaxy-dev list should be split in two. Ironically, I think most of the traffic on this list right now is related to deployment issues - in that respect I would see it almost as Galaxy admins stay here and developer chatter move to a new list. (This could hopefully be accomplished with e-mail aliases or something).
I think it would be simpler to define the new list and encourage people only interested in deployment to move to the new list, but I'm not looking after mailman here ;)
The nature of my interactions with Galaxy is such that I would still follow both lists, but I know there are people out there who have Galaxy deployed but don't really do any development per se, and I have talked to at least one such person who told me he does not follow this list because there is too much traffic. I don't think these people need to see my thoughts on a syntax for securing tool XML files or Peter's thoughts on the tool shed.
Long story short, I love the sound of my own voice and I would be less self conscious about that if there were two lists :).
-John
Likewise if the list was split, I'd follow both galaxy-dev and the new one what ever it was called (how about galaxy-deploy, since galaxy-admin sounds too much like it is about the project management), and also galaxy-user too most likely ;) Peter
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