Re: [galaxy-user] Suggestion on functionality for published workflows
Hi Assaf, I'm cc'ing the galaxy-user list because this is a good discussion to have and because this is good information to share. To your questions:
I make a history 'importable via link' and it appears on the public list, but what's now ? how does somebody else import it ? there's no clickable URL or button.
First, to be clear: we've not broken/replaced/removed any functionality with any recent changes; these changes provide enhancements. I assume we're starting from the history grid. When you make a history importable from the grid, you can see the link to its public location by clicking on the text "importable" in the history's status column. This link takes you to a page where you can see two links for each importable history: a link for importing the history and a link for viewing the history. The view link takes you to a page where you can view the history *or* import the history (there's a link at the top of the page to import it).
Also, will there be a way to make a history importable but *not* public ? I use the 'import' link a lot, but I don't want to make my histories public for everyone.
This is a difficult issue and one that's in flux and open for discussion. Right now, when you make a history importable, it is public in the sense that anyone can import it. Yes, they have to know the history's encoded ID, but "security through obscurity" is not a model that Galaxy employs. If someone wants to share a history with a limited subset of people and keep the history private, they can do so via the history sharing mechanism. Because "enable import" already makes a history accessible by everyone, it is reasonable that doing so makes the history "public." The basic sharing categories, then, haven't changed. What's changed, of course, is that Galaxy now makes it possible to find public/importable items. As I said, we're in the process of changing the history sharing language to make clearer what is happening; hopefully these changes will help users decide when to make a history public and when to share it with a limited set of other people. Another option is to allow users to make a history public but hide it from the list of public items. This is effectively what making a history importable does, and it's not a great solution. FYI, there are distinct advantages when users can view a history rather than having to import it: (a) it's less work to view the history; (b) it's not necessary to clutter your histories with imported histories; (c) it's not necessary to understand how to use Galaxy to view a history; and (d) users can (eventually) annotate/rate/comment on shared/public histories, thereby providing a single place to work with a shared history. Best, J. On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Assaf Gordon wrote:
Hello Jeremy,
I must be missing something: I make a history 'importable via link' and it appears on the public list, but what's now ? how does somebody else import it ? there's no clickable URL or button.
Also, will there be a way to make a history importable but *not* public ? I use the 'import' link a lot, but I don't want to make my histories public for everyone.
Thanks, -gordon
Jeremy Goecks wrote, On 01/12/2010 11:55 AM:
Hi Tim,
A progress report: we've put in place much of the infrastructure for viewing and searching public items in Galaxy. On our main server, there are now lists of public histories and public pages (with pages you can author webpages using different Galaxy objects, including histories and (soon) workflows):
http://main.g2.bx.psu.edu/history/list_public http://main.g2.bx.psu.edu/page/list_published
The list of public workflows will show up in the next week or so:
http://main.g2.bx.psu.edu/workflow/list_public
Local instances of Galaxy have their own lists of public items as well. We'll publicize these lists/links in coming iterations of Galaxy.
However, please note that these lists are not (currently) retroactive; only histories/pages/workflows shared after these lists were put in place are visible. Hence, as of now, there are no public histories on main. To make a history/workflow public, the owner must "enable import by link"; we're in the process of updating this language to make it clearer what it means to make public and/or enable import by link.
There is the ability to tag public items as well and search on item name, owner, and tag. There is not a description field for items yet, but this is coming soon.
Thanks much for your input; keep it coming.
Best, J.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Timothy Hughes <timothy.hughes@medisin.uio.no <mailto:timothy.hughes@medisin.uio.no>> wrote:
I have heard from jgoecks <http://bitbucket.org/jgoecks/> that the galaxy team are working on a repository for all galaxy objects. I would like to suggest that all workflows that are shared publically (published) have a mandatory field that briefly describes their functionality and that the repository have search functionality which enables a search of published workflows using this field. I am sure their are loads of great workflows out there which are either immediately usable or are easily adaptable. Getting access to such workflows would also be an excellent way to learn Galaxy in a complementary way to the screencasts.
While we are waiting for such functionality, perhaps Galaxy developers could set up a simple page where the public histories / workflows can be posted. The simplest solution might be just a check box on the sharing page ("post link to publicly accessible page"), alternatively just a piece of text on the sharing page encouraging users to manually post on specific forum or mailing list.
Tim.
-- Tim Hughes PhD (http://digitised.info) Medical Genetics Department Oslo University Hospital Ullevål Kirkeveien 166 0407 Oslo Norway
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Hi Jeremy, Thanks for you reply, but let me rephrase my question: Jeremy Goecks wrote, On 01/12/2010 01:29 PM:
I make a history 'importable via link' and it appears on the public list, but what's now ? how does somebody else import it ? there's no clickable URL or button.
First, to be clear: we've not broken/replaced/removed any functionality with any recent changes; these changes provide enhancements.
I assume we're starting from the history grid. When you make a history importable from the grid, you can see the link to its public location by clicking on the text "importable" in the history's status column. This link takes you to a page where you can see two links for each importable history: a link for importing the history and a link for viewing the history. The view link takes you to a page where you can view the history *or* import the history (there's a link at the top of the page to import it).
The existing functionality of the 'import via link' is great, and I use it a lot. My question is about the new "list public histories page": http://main.g2.bx.psu.edu/history/list_public The history I shared (via link) appears there, but there's no action associated with it. Meaning: I can see that it is public, but I can't do anything about with (and my expectation would be that I would be able to click on it and import it, because it is public). Otherwise, what's the purpose of the "list public histories" page? is it just to let me know about the names and owners and dates of public histories (but without the ability to import them?). -gordon
The history I shared (via link) appears there, but there's no action associated with it. Meaning: I can see that it is public, but I can't do anything about with (and my expectation would be that I would be able to click on it and import it, because it is public).
That's a bug. The history name should provide a link that you can use to view/import/tag the history. I'll fix it momentarily. Thanks, J.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Jeremy Goecks <jeremy.goecks@emory.edu>wrote:
The history I shared (via link) appears there, but there's no action
associated with it. Meaning: I can see that it is public, but I can't do anything about with (and my expectation would be that I would be able to click on it and import it, because it is public).
That's a bug. The history name should provide a link that you can use to view/import/tag the history. I'll fix it momentarily.
You need to have a username for the history's link to appear. Create a username by navigating (User Menu)->Preferences->Manage your information. Best, J.
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