SAM/BAM Hybrid Selection Metrics
Hi all - I think there is a problem with the Picard HSMetrics wrapper in Galaxy. The wrapper accepts a BAM files and a BED file. However the BED file isn't really in a BED format...it requires a SAM header before the BED lines. This really isn't a BED file format. I'm not quite sure how Galaxy should deal with this...maybe a file format specific for Picard formatted BED file.
Hi Ryan, Yes, the Picard tool mandates a bizarre bait/target format file for reasons which might best be addressed to the Picard devs - they may have some very good reasons although I can't imagine what they are. :) Yes, automated conversion of any valid Galaxy bed dataset into the strange format required by the Picard tool is a very good idea. We're already half way there because the tool wrapper adds the (IMHO really silly) required SAM header automagically. A new datatype (eg "picardBaitTarget") and an automated converter would make the tool much easier to use - it's far from ideal to force Galaxy users to comply with the strange Picard format requirements if we can automate a converter. I thought about implementing one but stopped when I realized that am not sure what an automated converter should do if the user supplies a valid Galaxy bed lacking strand information - generally, making up strand is not a good idea. I don't have enough insight into the way the stats are calculated to know whether bad things might happen if (eg) we assume all the bait and target regions are on the + strand if they're not - but if someone can describe how to automate the conversion, it would definitely be an improvement to the usability of the Picard tool. Suggestions welcomed! On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Ryan Golhar <ngsbioinformatics@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all - I think there is a problem with the Picard HSMetrics wrapper in Galaxy. The wrapper accepts a BAM files and a BED file. However the BED file isn't really in a BED format...it requires a SAM header before the BED lines. This really isn't a BED file format. I'm not quite sure how Galaxy should deal with this...maybe a file format specific for Picard formatted BED file.
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In case anyone is interested I posted a message to samtools-dev and got a few responses about it. The thread is called 'Picard bait/target format file for HsMetrics'. Now, for Galaxy, I think the wrapper should not accept the BED file as input as that doesn't work. I like the idea of a new file format (picardBaitTarget or maybe picardIntervalList) as the input type. If the converter tool adds a header to the BED file, then there is the possibility that a user can associated the BED file with the wrong version of a genome. This is what Picard was trying to avoid. But that doesn't mean a user can't manually add the wrong header anyway. If the BED file is missing strand information, I don't think the tool should add it. I would say just leave the rest of the file alone. If there is no strand information, perhaps the user doesn't care about the strand. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Ross <ross.lazarus@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan,
Yes, the Picard tool mandates a bizarre bait/target format file for reasons which might best be addressed to the Picard devs - they may have some very good reasons although I can't imagine what they are. :)
Yes, automated conversion of any valid Galaxy bed dataset into the strange format required by the Picard tool is a very good idea. We're already half way there because the tool wrapper adds the (IMHO really silly) required SAM header automagically.
A new datatype (eg "picardBaitTarget") and an automated converter would make the tool much easier to use - it's far from ideal to force Galaxy users to comply with the strange Picard format requirements if we can automate a converter.
I thought about implementing one but stopped when I realized that am not sure what an automated converter should do if the user supplies a valid Galaxy bed lacking strand information - generally, making up strand is not a good idea. I don't have enough insight into the way the stats are calculated to know whether bad things might happen if (eg) we assume all the bait and target regions are on the + strand if they're not - but if someone can describe how to automate the conversion, it would definitely be an improvement to the usability of the Picard tool.
Suggestions welcomed!
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Ryan Golhar <ngsbioinformatics@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all - I think there is a problem with the Picard HSMetrics wrapper in Galaxy. The wrapper accepts a BAM files and a BED file. However the BED file isn't really in a BED format...it requires a SAM header before the BED lines. This really isn't a BED file format. I'm not quite sure how Galaxy should deal with this...maybe a file format specific for Picard formatted BED file.
I've been looking at this all day today, and here's what I've figured out. The picard_wrapper.py simply puts the SAM header from the input BAM file at the top of the BED file. However, the interval file actually has different columns of the order: Seq Name, Start Pos (1-based), End Pos, Strand, Interval Name. whereas the Bed file use the format of Seq Name, Start Pos (0-based), End Pos, Name, Score, Strand So the bed file actually needs to be converted and not just have the SAM header added. I wonder if the wrapper should NOT be doing this but this should be a whole different file format. I see in datatypes_conf.xml that a picard_interval_list datatype exists, but I'm not sure its entirely correct either. Would it be more appropriate to have the user upload a correctly formatted file or should the wrapper just re-order the BED columns and add 1 to the start pos? On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ryan Golhar <ngsbioinformatics@gmail.com>wrote:
In case anyone is interested I posted a message to samtools-dev and got a few responses about it. The thread is called 'Picard bait/target format file for HsMetrics'. Now, for Galaxy, I think the wrapper should not accept the BED file as input as that doesn't work. I like the idea of a new file format (picardBaitTarget or maybe picardIntervalList) as the input type.
If the converter tool adds a header to the BED file, then there is the possibility that a user can associated the BED file with the wrong version of a genome. This is what Picard was trying to avoid. But that doesn't mean a user can't manually add the wrong header anyway. If the BED file is missing strand information, I don't think the tool should add it. I would say just leave the rest of the file alone. If there is no strand information, perhaps the user doesn't care about the strand.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Ross <ross.lazarus@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan,
Yes, the Picard tool mandates a bizarre bait/target format file for reasons which might best be addressed to the Picard devs - they may have some very good reasons although I can't imagine what they are. :)
Yes, automated conversion of any valid Galaxy bed dataset into the strange format required by the Picard tool is a very good idea. We're already half way there because the tool wrapper adds the (IMHO really silly) required SAM header automagically.
A new datatype (eg "picardBaitTarget") and an automated converter would make the tool much easier to use - it's far from ideal to force Galaxy users to comply with the strange Picard format requirements if we can automate a converter.
I thought about implementing one but stopped when I realized that am not sure what an automated converter should do if the user supplies a valid Galaxy bed lacking strand information - generally, making up strand is not a good idea. I don't have enough insight into the way the stats are calculated to know whether bad things might happen if (eg) we assume all the bait and target regions are on the + strand if they're not - but if someone can describe how to automate the conversion, it would definitely be an improvement to the usability of the Picard tool.
Suggestions welcomed!
Hi all - I think there is a problem with the Picard HSMetrics wrapper in Galaxy. The wrapper accepts a BAM files and a BED file. However the BED file isn't really in a BED format...it requires a SAM header before the BED lines. This really isn't a BED file format. I'm not quite sure how Galaxy should deal with this...maybe a file format specific for Picard
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Ryan Golhar <ngsbioinformatics@gmail.com> wrote: formatted
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