5:58 p.m.
Hi All,
Maria Doyle will be officially representing GTN at the GOBLET AGM
<http://www.abacbs.org/goblet_agm/> in Brisbane, early next month. Maria
works at PeterMac in Melbourne and is a Galaxy veteran. Two other Galaxy
veterans, Annette McGrath of CSIRO and Igor Makunin of U Queensland, will
also be there to present Galaxy savvy points of view.
I'd like to come up with a list of agenda items for Maria to present on
behalf of GTN.
Last year's list:
Last year we discussed what our priorities for the GOBLET meeting
<http://galaxy-training-mailing-list-archive.35427.n7.nabble.com/GTN-issue...
should be. and came up with this list
<http://galaxy-training-mailing-list-archive.35427.n7.nabble.com/Galaxy-Tr...;.
Here's what I think happened with those 5 items:
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
As far as I can tell no action has been taken.
*2. Either start sending a regular newsletter, or stop saying we have one.*
This has been started.
*3. Should GOBLET offer a bioinformatics trainer certification?*
I have no emails since the last meeting with the words GOBLET and
certify/certification in them. So, no progress.
And from Peter VH during last year's meeting:
There is not really a concept of Goblet Certified Trainer being thrown
around but there has been a discussion on what a "Goblet
branded" set of
training materials or course would involve. The idea is that certain
requirements have to be met to get this "Goblet branded" badge.
*4. Make it easier to publish, share, and refine training material.*
I should have titled this "Embrace the Carpentry model for training
materials."
The *Galaxy Community* has actually made a lot of progress on this
independent of GOBLET. There was a two day training material hackathon
this month. See here
<https://wiki.galaxyproject.org/GalaxyUpdates/2016_10#Galaxy_training_cont...;.
(I'm hoping to have a summary in the November newsletter as well.)
As far as I can tell, GOBLET has not done anything with this.
There is an item on this year's agenda about GOBLET's relationship with
Software Carpentry, not about training materials per se.
*5. Shared Training Datasets are Precious!*
No progress from GOBLET here either. However, Björn and Bérenice made
progress on this for Galaxy during the October hackathon.
This year's list:
What should be on this year's list? What are our priorities for the coming
year? How can GOBLET help us? How can we help GOBLET?
I encourage you to post your ideas to this list. I'll send my suggestions
in a separate email as well.
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6:23 p.m.
Hi All,
Here is my starting list for discussion about what GTN should promote at
GOBLET this year.
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all bioinformatics
trainers a platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar has been a huge
win for the Galaxy community.
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets*
Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in GitHub
where the trainer community can (and does) update the materials. The Galaxy
training materials hackathon
<https://wiki.galaxyproject.org/GalaxyUpdates/2016_10#Galaxy_training_cont...
earlier
this month made significant progress on this very approach.
*Open Questions:*
*A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach for
training materials?*
I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we believe it
is. How do GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel? There was
a lot of community participation in this month's contribution fest.
*B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's good for GOBLET
as well?*
Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking, and
doesn't require them to actually do anything until the following year:
Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we present our
experience and whatever best practices we've learned at the 2017 GOBLET
meeting.
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push. *
Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments. They would
need to be short.
I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and myself
could create one for the training materials proposal.
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year, which is
now almost done.
Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is that I
would be a lot more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to this
list, I don't think I did this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our year
to discover the greatness of GOBLET, but given my inactivity, we just don't
know.
GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just hasn't
realized yet.
The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the Galaxy
Community Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then I'll
present a funding request to them for 2017.
No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had this
discussion, and what points we came up with.
Thanks for reading this far,
Dave C
7:59 p.m.
Hi Dave and GTN members
I will just use the points Dave has mention and will try to expand them a little bit:
1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.
They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all bioinformatics trainers a
platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar has been a huge win for the Galaxy
community.
+1
Yes, any kind of discussion forum would be nice….(see also point 2 )
2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets
Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in GitHub where the trainer
community can (and does) update the materials. The Galaxy training materials hackathon
earlier this month made significant progress on this very approach.
and the nice thing about GitHub: it can also be used as a discussion forum (see point 1
)
Open Questions:
A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach for training
materials?
I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we believe it is. How do
GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel? There was a lot of community
participation in this month's contribution fest.
+1
B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's
good for GOBLET as well?
Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking, and doesn't require
them to actually do anything until the following year:
Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we present our experience and
whatever best practices we've learned at the 2017 GOBLET meeting.
why wait till 2017? I think we can already show now that this approach works.
3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to
push.
Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments. They would need to be
short.
I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and myself could create
one for the training materials proposal.
+1
4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?
We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year, which is now almost
done.
Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is that I would be a lot
more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to this list, I don't think I did
this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our year to discover the greatness of GOBLET, but
given my inactivity, we just don't know.
Well, we can ask the other way round as well: Has GOBLET been in contact with GTN?
GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just
hasn't realized yet.
+1
The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the Galaxy
Community Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then I'll present a
funding request to them for 2017.
I don’t want to debate whether 250 Euro is a lot of money or not. I want to know what is
happing with this money
No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had this
discussion, and what points we came up with.
+1
Hans-Rudolf
8:06 p.m.
Hi Hans-Rudolf, Maria, all
The GOBLET meeting starts next Monday, which means we need to get this
settled as soon as possible. So far their hasn't been much discussion,
which means Hans-Rudolf and I get what we (*HRH+DC)* want. I'd rather
present what we (*GTN*) want. Which means we need your input now.
If there's no discussion in the next 24 hours we'll go with what we have,
which is below
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
*Biostar or Github recommended.* (I lean towards Biostar-like solutions.)
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets*
*Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"*
HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for a
year and report.
*Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will receive
better at the time (or suggest both as options).*
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push. *
Gosh this seemed like a good idea when it's implementation was a week in
the future.
Depending on discussion in the next day,
*- I'll start working with Björn and Bérénice (and possibly HRH) tomorrow
to get these done.*
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
HRH asks two questions.
Has GOBLET been in contact with GTN?
They are in contact with me. I forward what I think are the interesting
emails on to the Galaxy-Training list. Most of the significant ones were
about workshops, either sponsored by GOBLET or relevant to GOBLET
membership. There were also 2 editions of the new GOBLET Newsletter.
Several of the events were directly relevant to GTN membership.
I was also invited to consider running for a GOBLET office. I declined
this as the offer came during a month when I was swamped, and trying to
avoid commitments.
What I haven't seen, outside of the events, is a call to action, such as:
- advertise your event through GOBLET channels.
- Share you materials through GOBLET.
and so on. (Both those things are available, I just don't do them. )
I want to know what is happing with this money
My memory is that this is covered in detail at the GOBLET meeting. I
suspect that this is already published online, and if it's not, I bet we
could get them do it pretty easily.
My Proposal:
*1. GTN stays in GOBLET for another year.*
*2. We let them know that we discuss this value proposition every year.*
My 23¢,
Dave C
> 1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.
>
> They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all
bioinformatics trainers a platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar
has been a huge win for the Galaxy community.
+1
Yes, any kind of discussion forum would be nice….(see also point 2 )
> 2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets
>
> Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in GitHub
where the trainer community can (and does) update the materials. The
Galaxy training materials hackathon earlier this month made significant
progress on this very approach.
and the nice thing about GitHub: it can also be used as a discussion
forum (see point 1 )
Open Questions:
>
> A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach for
training materials?
>
> I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we believe
it is. How do GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel? There
was a lot of community participation in this month's contribution fest.
+1
> B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's good for
GOBLET as well?
>
> Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking, and
doesn't require them to actually do anything until the following year:
>
> Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we present
our experience and whatever best practices we've learned at the 2017 GOBLET
meeting.
why wait till 2017? I think we can already show now that this approach
works.
> 3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push.
>
> Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments. They
would need to be short.
>
> I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and
myself could create one for the training materials proposal.
+1
> 4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?
>
> We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year, which
is now almost done.
>
> Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is that
I would be a lot more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to this
list, I don't think I did this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our year
to discover the greatness of GOBLET, but given my inactivity, we just don't
know.
Well, we can ask the other way round as well: Has GOBLET been in contact
with GTN?
> GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just hasn't
realized yet.
+1
> The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the Galaxy
Community Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then I'll
present a funding request to them for 2017.
I don’t want to debate whether 250 Euro is a lot of money or not. I want
to know what is happing with this money
> No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had this
discussion, and what points we came up with.
+1
Hans-Rudolf
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9:24 p.m.
Am 01.11.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Dave Clements:
Hi Hans-Rudolf, Maria, all
The GOBLET meeting starts next Monday, which means we need to get this
settled as soon as possible. So far their hasn't been much discussion,
which means Hans-Rudolf and I get what we (/HRH+DC)/ want. I'd rather
present what we (/GTN/) want. Which means we need your input now.
If there's no discussion in the next 24 hours we'll go with what we
have, which is below
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
/Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like
solutions.)
1. Biostar
2. Github
3. ML
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets*
/Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
a year and report.
/Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying to
follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
reasonable state to the end of the year.
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to
push. *
Gosh this seemed like a good idea when it's implementation was a week in
the future.
Depending on discussion in the next day,
/- I'll start working with Björn and Bérénice (and possibly HRH)
tomorrow to get these done./
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
*
*
HRH asks two questions.
Has GOBLET been in contact with GTN?
They are in contact with me. I forward what I think are the interesting
emails on to the Galaxy-Training list. Most of the significant ones
were about workshops, either sponsored by GOBLET or relevant to GOBLET
membership. There were also 2 editions of the new GOBLET Newsletter.
Several of the events were directly relevant to GTN membership.
I was also invited to consider running for a GOBLET office. I declined
this as the offer came during a month when I was swamped, and trying to
avoid commitments.
What I haven't seen, outside of the events, is a call to action, such as:
- advertise your event through GOBLET channels.
- Share you materials through GOBLET.
and so on. (Both those things are available, I just don't do them. )
I want to know what is happing with this money
My memory is that this is covered in detail at the GOBLET meeting. I
suspect that this is already published online, and if it's not, I bet we
could get them do it pretty easily.
My Proposal:
/1. GTN stays in GOBLET for another year./
+1
They are also trying to find a spot next to Carpentry, ELIXIR training
and GTN. -> tess ...
/2. We let them know that we discuss this value proposition every
year./
And let's ask them about the money and how this is spend.
Thanks,
Bjoern
My 23¢,
Dave C
>
> 1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.
>
> They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all bioinformatics
trainers a platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar has been a huge win for the
Galaxy community.
+1
Yes, any kind of discussion forum would be nice….(see also point 2 )
> 2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training datasets
>
> Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in GitHub where the
trainer community can (and does) update the materials. The Galaxy training materials
hackathon earlier this month made significant progress on this very approach.
and the nice thing about GitHub: it can also be used as a
discussion forum (see point 1 )
> Open Questions:
>
> A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach for training
materials?
>
> I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we believe it
is. How do GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel? There was a lot of
community participation in this month's contribution fest.
+1
> B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's good for
GOBLET as well?
>
> Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking, and doesn't
require them to actually do anything until the following year:
>
> Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we present our
experience and whatever best practices we've learned at the 2017 GOBLET meeting.
why wait till 2017? I think we can already show now that this
approach works.
> 3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push.
>
> Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments. They would
need to be short.
>
> I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and myself could
create one for the training materials proposal.
+1
> 4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?
>
> We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year, which is now
almost done.
>
> Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is that I would
be a lot more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to this list, I don't think
I did this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our year to discover the greatness of
GOBLET, but given my inactivity, we just don't know.
Well, we can ask the other way round as well: Has GOBLET been in
contact with GTN?
> GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just hasn't
realized yet.
+1
> The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the Galaxy Community
Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then I'll present a funding
request to them for 2017.
I don’t want to debate whether 250 Euro is a lot of money or not. I
want to know what is happing with this money
> No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had this discussion,
and what points we came up with.
+1
Hans-Rudolf
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12:58 a.m.
New subject: [SPAM][M] Re: GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Hello Dave, Hans-Rudolf, Bjoern and all,
I'm happy to raise those points on behalf of GTN if that's what we go with, I just
have a few questions on two of them.
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
/Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like
solutions.)
1. Biostar
2. Github
3. ML
Excuse the ignorance but what is ML?
Were Biostar or any of these other options discussed at GOBLET last year? As if so were
there any specific objections to using them?
And why is Biostar deemed the best option?
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets*
/Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
a year and report.
/Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying
to
follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
reasonable state to the end of the year.
Are we suggesting GOBLET set up a github too for material or would that just lead to
duplication? Or is it that GOBLET would collate and provide links to the various githubs
(Carpentry, ELIXIR etc)?
Cheers,
Maria
Maria Doyle
Application and Training Specialist
Research Computing Facility
Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre
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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 8:24 AM
To: Dave Clements; Hans-Rudolf Hotz
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Subject: [SPAM][M] Re: [gxy-train] GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Am 01.11.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Dave Clements:
> Hi Hans-Rudolf, Maria, all
>
> The GOBLET meeting starts next Monday, which means we need to get this
> settled as soon as possible. So far their hasn't been much discussion,
> which means Hans-Rudolf and I get what we (/HRH+DC)/ want. I'd rather
> present what we (/GTN/) want. Which means we need your input now.
>
> If there's no discussion in the next 24 hours we'll go with what we
> have, which is below
>
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
/Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like
solutions.)
1. Biostar
2. Github
3. ML
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets*
/Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
a year and report.
/Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying to
follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
reasonable state to the end of the year.
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to
push. *
Gosh this seemed like a good idea when it's implementation was a week in
the future.
Depending on discussion in the next day,
/- I'll start working with Björn and Bérénice (and possibly HRH)
tomorrow to get these done./
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
*
*
HRH asks two questions.
Has GOBLET been in contact with GTN?
They are in contact with me. I forward what I think are the interesting
emails on to the Galaxy-Training list. Most of the significant ones
were about workshops, either sponsored by GOBLET or relevant to GOBLET
membership. There were also 2 editions of the new GOBLET Newsletter.
Several of the events were directly relevant to GTN membership.
I was also invited to consider running for a GOBLET office. I declined
this as the offer came during a month when I was swamped, and trying to
avoid commitments.
What I haven't seen, outside of the events, is a call to action, such as:
- advertise your event through GOBLET channels.
- Share you materials through GOBLET.
and so on. (Both those things are available, I just don't do them. )
I want to know what is happing with this money
My memory is that this is covered in detail at the GOBLET meeting. I
suspect that this is already published online, and if it's not, I bet we
could get them do it pretty easily.
My Proposal:
/1. GTN stays in GOBLET for another year./
+1
They are also trying to find a spot next to Carpentry, ELIXIR training
and GTN. -> tess ...
/2. We let them know that we discuss this value proposition every
year./
And let's ask them about the money and how this is spend.
Thanks,
Bjoern
My 23¢,
Dave C
>
> 1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.
>
> They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all bioinformatics
trainers a platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar has been a huge win for the
Galaxy community.
+1
Yes, any kind of discussion forum would be nice….(see also point 2 )
> 2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training datasets
>
> Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in GitHub where the
trainer community can (and does) update the materials. The Galaxy training materials
hackathon earlier this month made significant progress on this very approach.
and the nice thing about GitHub: it can also be used as a
discussion forum (see point 1 )
> Open Questions:
>
> A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach for training
materials?
>
> I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we believe it
is. How do GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel? There was a lot of
community participation in this month's contribution fest.
+1
> B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's good for
GOBLET as well?
>
> Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking, and doesn't
require them to actually do anything until the following year:
>
> Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we present our
experience and whatever best practices we've learned at the 2017 GOBLET meeting.
why wait till 2017? I think we can already show now that this
approach works.
> 3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push.
>
> Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments. They would
need to be short.
>
> I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and myself could
create one for the training materials proposal.
+1
> 4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?
>
> We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year, which is now
almost done.
>
> Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is that I would
be a lot more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to this list, I don't think
I did this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our year to discover the greatness of
GOBLET, but given my inactivity, we just don't know.
Well, we can ask the other way round as well: Has GOBLET been in
contact with GTN?
> GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just hasn't
realized yet.
+1
> The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the Galaxy Community
Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then I'll present a funding
request to them for 2017.
I don’t want to debate whether 250 Euro is a lot of money or not. I
want to know what is happing with this money
> No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had this discussion,
and what points we came up with.
+1
Hans-Rudolf
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New subject: [SPAM][M] Re: GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Hi Maria -
ML = Mailing list
I think that a format such as Biostar is preferred because it is an
ongoing, organized forum that is easy/familiar for most people to use.
Prior Q&A is easily tagged and available for searches. Important info tends
to get lost in mailing lists over time, which leads to duplicated questions
and more maintenance.
Honestly, I am not sure how Github would be used if the goal is to create a
space for discussion ... perhaps someone else can comment on that. Maybe a
GH Wiki was the goal? This could be complimentary to a forum, although it
is possible to create semi-permanent (yet editable) content within a forum
that can be referenced for Q&A. News can also be posted (updates, status,
newsletters (?) ). All in one place is generally a good idea and avoids
content duplication. Any forum post could link to github repos containing
the actual training material.
Cheers!
Jen
--
Jennifer Hillman-Jackson
Galaxy Application Support
http://usegalaxy.org
http://galaxyproject.org
http://biostar.usegalaxy.org
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Doyle Maria <Maria.Doyle(a)petermac.org>
wrote:
Hello Dave, Hans-Rudolf, Bjoern and all,
I'm happy to raise those points on behalf of GTN if that's what we go
with, I just have a few questions on two of them.
> *1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
> /Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like
solutions.)
> 1. Biostar
> 2. Github
> 3. ML
Excuse the ignorance but what is ML?
Were Biostar or any of these other options discussed at GOBLET last year?
As if so were there any specific objections to using them?
And why is Biostar deemed the best option?
> *2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
> datasets*
>
> /Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
>
> HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
> a year and report.
>
> /Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
> receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
> Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying to
> follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
> reasonable state to the end of the year.
Are we suggesting GOBLET set up a github too for material or would that
just lead to duplication? Or is it that GOBLET would collate and provide
links to the various githubs (Carpentry, ELIXIR etc)?
Cheers,
Maria
Maria Doyle
Application and Training Specialist
Research Computing Facility
Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre
________________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 8:24 AM
To: Dave Clements; Hans-Rudolf Hotz
Cc: Galaxy-Training List
Subject: [SPAM][M] Re: [gxy-train] GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Am 01.11.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Dave Clements:
> Hi Hans-Rudolf, Maria, all
>
> The GOBLET meeting starts next Monday, which means we need to get this
> settled as soon as possible. So far their hasn't been much discussion,
> which means Hans-Rudolf and I get what we (/HRH+DC)/ want. I'd rather
> present what we (/GTN/) want. Which means we need your input now.
>
> If there's no discussion in the next 24 hours we'll go with what we
> have, which is below
>
> *1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
> /Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like
solutions.)
1. Biostar
2. Github
3. ML
> *2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
> datasets*
>
> /Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
>
> HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
> a year and report.
>
> /Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
> receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying to
follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
reasonable state to the end of the year.
> *3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push.
*
>
> Gosh this seemed like a good idea when it's implementation was a week in
> the future.
>
> Depending on discussion in the next day,
> /- I'll start working with Björn and Bérénice (and possibly HRH)
> tomorrow to get these done./
>
> *4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
> *
> *
> HRH asks two questions.
>
> Has GOBLET been in contact with GTN?
>
>
> They are in contact with me. I forward what I think are the interesting
> emails on to the Galaxy-Training list. Most of the significant ones
> were about workshops, either sponsored by GOBLET or relevant to GOBLET
> membership. There were also 2 editions of the new GOBLET Newsletter.
> Several of the events were directly relevant to GTN membership.
>
> I was also invited to consider running for a GOBLET office. I declined
> this as the offer came during a month when I was swamped, and trying to
> avoid commitments.
>
> What I haven't seen, outside of the events, is a call to action, such as:
> - advertise your event through GOBLET channels.
> - Share you materials through GOBLET.
> and so on. (Both those things are available, I just don't do them. )
>
> I want to know what is happing with this money
>
>
> My memory is that this is covered in detail at the GOBLET meeting. I
> suspect that this is already published online, and if it's not, I bet we
> could get them do it pretty easily.
>
> My Proposal:
> /1. GTN stays in GOBLET for another year./
+1
They are also trying to find a spot next to Carpentry, ELIXIR training
and GTN. -> tess ...
> /2. We let them know that we discuss this value proposition every year./
And let's ask them about the money and how this is spend.
Thanks,
Bjoern
> My 23¢,
>
> Dave C
>
>
>
> >
> > 1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.
> >
> > They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all
bioinformatics trainers a platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar
has been a huge win for the Galaxy community.
>
> +1
>
> Yes, any kind of discussion forum would be nice….(see also point 2 )
>
>
> > 2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets
> >
> > Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in
GitHub where the trainer community can (and does) update the materials.
The Galaxy training materials hackathon earlier this month made significant
progress on this very approach.
>
> and the nice thing about GitHub: it can also be used as a
> discussion forum (see point 1 )
>
> > Open Questions:
> >
> > A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach
for training materials?
> >
> > I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we
believe it is. How do GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel?
There was a lot of community participation in this month's contribution
fest.
>
> +1
>
>
>
> > B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's good
for GOBLET as well?
> >
> > Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking,
and doesn't require them to actually do anything until the following year:
> >
> > Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we
present our experience and whatever best practices we've learned at the
2017 GOBLET meeting.
>
>
> why wait till 2017? I think we can already show now that this
> approach works.
>
>
>
> > 3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to
push.
> >
> > Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments.
They would need to be short.
> >
> > I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and
myself could create one for the training materials proposal.
>
>
> +1
>
>
> > 4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?
> >
> > We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year,
which is now almost done.
> >
> > Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is
that I would be a lot more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to
this list, I don't think I did this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our
year to discover the greatness of GOBLET, but given my inactivity, we just
don't know.
>
>
> Well, we can ask the other way round as well: Has GOBLET been in
> contact with GTN?
>
>
>
>
> > GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just
hasn't realized yet.
>
>
> +1
>
>
> > The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the
Galaxy Community Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then
I'll present a funding request to them for 2017.
>
>
> I don’t want to debate whether 250 Euro is a lot of money or not. I
> want to know what is happing with this money
>
>
>
> > No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had
this discussion, and what points we came up with.
>
> +1
>
>
>
> Hans-Rudolf
>
>
>
>
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3:52 a.m.
New subject: [SPAM][M] Re: GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Hi all,
Thanks for all the input into what points to raise at the GOBLET AGM on behalf of GTN.
To update you all, I presented on the points on Tuesday and yesterday using the slides
kindly provided to me by Dave and Bjoern & Bérénice and the outcomes were:
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
I raised the GTN suggestion of having a Biostars forum for GOBLET. There was some
discussion as to whether the Biostars Q&A format is more suited to technical issues as
opposed to training discussions but we're going to try it out and see how it goes.
Eija Korpelainen will be getting in touch with István Albert to see about setting it up.
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training datasets*
GOBLET is going to try a pull and place model, in that it will pull from repos like GTN,
and they'll be talking to ELIXIR about TESS in relation to that. GOBLET will also be a
place to develop material and have it's own github repo. We got the ball rolling with
setting up a github during the meeting, now just need to sort out permissions and add
material :)
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push. *
Thanks to Dave, Bjoern and Bérénice for their slides, they were very useful for
illustrating the points.
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
Hopefully you all think we should, I do and I put my hand up to be on the GOBLET Outreach
and PR Committee so if you haven't heard from or about GOBLET in a year's time you
can throw some blame my way :)
To answer the question on what is the membership money used for, it's been used for
tech intern salary, admin support salary, server support, publicity, booth expenses, AGM.
One of the main things it'll be used for in the next year will be for a technical
intern to revamp the website and there'll be a survey sent to all GOBLET members so
they can give input on what the new website should look like. I could also post it here
when it's ready so GTN members can give their input if they want.
And it relation to trainer certification, that's in the too hard basket at the
moment.
If anyone has any questions or comments please let me know. I can also update GTN when
there's more to say.
Cheers,
Maria
Maria Doyle
Application and Training Specialist
Research Computing Facility
[http://i.imgur.com/tG0nMXg.jpg]
From: Jennifer Hillman-Jackson
<jen@galaxyproject.org<mailto:jen@galaxyproject.org>>
Date: Thursday, 3 November 2016 at 8:48 AM
To: test <Maria.Doyle@petermac.org<mailto:Maria.Doyle@petermac.org>>
Cc: Björn Grüning
<bjoern.gruening@gmail.com<mailto:bjoern.gruening@gmail.com>>, Dave Clements
<clements@galaxyproject.org<mailto:clements@galaxyproject.org>>, Hans-Rudolf
Hotz <hansrudolf.hotz@fmi.ch<mailto:hansrudolf.hotz@fmi.ch>>, Galaxy-Training
List
<galaxy-training@lists.galaxyproject.org<mailto:galaxy-training@lists.galaxyproject.org>>
Subject: Re: [gxy-train] [SPAM][M] Re: GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Hi Maria -
ML = Mailing list
I think that a format such as Biostar is preferred because it is an ongoing, organized
forum that is easy/familiar for most people to use. Prior Q&A is easily tagged and
available for searches. Important info tends to get lost in mailing lists over time, which
leads to duplicated questions and more maintenance.
Honestly, I am not sure how Github would be used if the goal is to create a space for
discussion ... perhaps someone else can comment on that. Maybe a GH Wiki was the goal?
This could be complimentary to a forum, although it is possible to create semi-permanent
(yet editable) content within a forum that can be referenced for Q&A. News can also be
posted (updates, status, newsletters (?) ). All in one place is generally a good idea and
avoids content duplication. Any forum post could link to github repos containing the
actual training material.
Cheers!
Jen
--
Jennifer Hillman-Jackson
Galaxy Application Support
http://usegalaxy.org
http://galaxyproject.org
http://biostar.usegalaxy.org
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Doyle Maria
<Maria.Doyle@petermac.org<mailto:Maria.Doyle@petermac.org>> wrote:
Hello Dave, Hans-Rudolf, Bjoern and all,
I'm happy to raise those points on behalf of GTN if that's what we go with, I just
have a few questions on two of them.
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
/Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like
solutions.)
1. Biostar
2. Github
3. ML
Excuse the ignorance but what is ML?
Were Biostar or any of these other options discussed at GOBLET last year? As if so were
there any specific objections to using them?
And why is Biostar deemed the best option?
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets*
/Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
a year and report.
/Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying
to
follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
reasonable state to the end of the year.
Are we suggesting GOBLET set up a github too for material or would that just lead to
duplication? Or is it that GOBLET would collate and provide links to the various githubs
(Carpentry, ELIXIR etc)?
Cheers,
Maria
Maria Doyle
Application and Training Specialist
Research Computing Facility
Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre
________________________________________
From: Galaxy-training
[galaxy-training-bounces@lists.galaxyproject.org<mailto:galaxy-training-bounces@lists.galaxyproject.org>]
on behalf of Björn Grüning
[bjoern.gruening@gmail.com<mailto:bjoern.gruening@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 8:24 AM
To: Dave Clements; Hans-Rudolf Hotz
Cc: Galaxy-Training List
Subject: [SPAM][M] Re: [gxy-train] GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Am 01.11.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Dave Clements:
> Hi Hans-Rudolf, Maria, all
>
> The GOBLET meeting starts next Monday, which means we need to get this
> settled as soon as possible. So far their hasn't been much discussion,
> which means Hans-Rudolf and I get what we (/HRH+DC)/ want. I'd rather
> present what we (/GTN/) want. Which means we need your input now.
>
> If there's no discussion in the next 24 hours we'll go with what we
> have, which is below
>
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
/Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like
solutions.)
1. Biostar
2. Github
3. ML
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
datasets*
/Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
a year and report.
/Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying to
follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
reasonable state to the end of the year.
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to
push. *
Gosh this seemed like a good idea when it's implementation was a week in
the future.
Depending on discussion in the next day,
/- I'll start working with Björn and Bérénice (and possibly HRH)
tomorrow to get these done./
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
*
*
HRH asks two questions.
Has GOBLET been in contact with GTN?
They are in contact with me. I forward what I think are the interesting
emails on to the Galaxy-Training list. Most of the significant ones
were about workshops, either sponsored by GOBLET or relevant to GOBLET
membership. There were also 2 editions of the new GOBLET Newsletter.
Several of the events were directly relevant to GTN membership.
I was also invited to consider running for a GOBLET office. I declined
this as the offer came during a month when I was swamped, and trying to
avoid commitments.
What I haven't seen, outside of the events, is a call to action, such as:
- advertise your event through GOBLET channels.
- Share you materials through GOBLET.
and so on. (Both those things are available, I just don't do them. )
I want to know what is happing with this money
My memory is that this is covered in detail at the GOBLET meeting. I
suspect that this is already published online, and if it's not, I bet we
could get them do it pretty easily.
My Proposal:
/1. GTN stays in GOBLET for another year./
+1
They are also trying to find a spot next to Carpentry, ELIXIR training
and GTN. -> tess ...
/2. We let them know that we discuss this value proposition every
year./
And let's ask them about the money and how this is spend.
Thanks,
Bjoern
My 23¢,
Dave C
>
> 1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.
>
> They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all bioinformatics
trainers a platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar has been a huge win for the
Galaxy community.
+1
Yes, any kind of discussion forum would be nice….(see also point 2 )
> 2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training datasets
>
> Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in GitHub where the
trainer community can (and does) update the materials. The Galaxy training materials
hackathon earlier this month made significant progress on this very approach.
and the nice thing about GitHub: it can also be used as a
discussion forum (see point 1 )
> Open Questions:
>
> A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach for training
materials?
>
> I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we believe it
is. How do GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel? There was a lot of
community participation in this month's contribution fest.
+1
> B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's good for
GOBLET as well?
>
> Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking, and doesn't
require them to actually do anything until the following year:
>
> Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we present our
experience and whatever best practices we've learned at the 2017 GOBLET meeting.
why wait till 2017? I think we can already show now that this
approach works.
> 3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push.
>
> Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments. They would
need to be short.
>
> I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and myself could
create one for the training materials proposal.
+1
> 4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?
>
> We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year, which is now
almost done.
>
> Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is that I would
be a lot more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to this list, I don't think
I did this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our year to discover the greatness of
GOBLET, but given my inactivity, we just don't know.
Well, we can ask the other way round as well: Has GOBLET been in
contact with GTN?
> GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just hasn't
realized yet.
+1
> The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the Galaxy Community
Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then I'll present a funding
request to them for 2017.
I don’t want to debate whether 250 Euro is a lot of money or not. I
want to know what is happing with this money
> No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had this discussion,
and what points we came up with.
+1
Hans-Rudolf
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7:17 a.m.
Hi Maria
Thank you very much for attending the GOBLET AGM on behalf of GTN this
year. And a special big thank you for sending out this nice summary.
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
On 11/10/2016 04:52 AM, Doyle Maria wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for all the input into what points to raise at the GOBLET AGM on behalf of GTN.
To update you all, I presented on the points on Tuesday and yesterday using the slides
kindly provided to me by Dave and Bjoern & Bérénice and the outcomes were:
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
I raised the GTN suggestion of having a Biostars forum for GOBLET. There was some
discussion as to whether the Biostars Q&A format is more suited to technical issues as
opposed to training discussions but we're going to try it out and see how it goes.
Eija Korpelainen will be getting in touch with István Albert to see about setting it up.
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training datasets*
GOBLET is going to try a pull and place model, in that it will pull from repos like GTN,
and they'll be talking to ELIXIR about TESS in relation to that. GOBLET will also be a
place to develop material and have it's own github repo. We got the ball rolling with
setting up a github during the meeting, now just need to sort out permissions and add
material :)
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push. *
Thanks to Dave, Bjoern and Bérénice for their slides, they were very useful for
illustrating the points.
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
Hopefully you all think we should, I do and I put my hand up to be on the GOBLET Outreach
and PR Committee so if you haven't heard from or about GOBLET in a year's time you
can throw some blame my way :)
To answer the question on what is the membership money used for, it's been used for
tech intern salary, admin support salary, server support, publicity, booth expenses, AGM.
One of the main things it'll be used for in the next year will be for a technical
intern to revamp the website and there'll be a survey sent to all GOBLET members so
they can give input on what the new website should look like. I could also post it here
when it's ready so GTN members can give their input if they want.
And it relation to trainer certification, that's in the too hard basket at the
moment.
If anyone has any questions or comments please let me know. I can also update GTN when
there's more to say.
Cheers,
Maria
Maria Doyle
Application and Training Specialist
Research Computing Facility
10:09 a.m.
New subject: [SPAM][M] Re: GTN at 2016 GOBLET meeting
Ha, this sounds great!
Let's see what the new year brings for training!
It's great that Goblet will have a github account, this is a good step
forward!
Thanks a lot!
Bjoern
Am 10.11.2016 um 04:52 schrieb Doyle Maria:
Hi all,
Thanks for all the input into what points to raise at the GOBLET AGM on behalf of GTN.
To update you all, I presented on the points on Tuesday and yesterday using the slides
kindly provided to me by Dave and Bjoern & Bérénice and the outcomes were:
*1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
I raised the GTN suggestion of having a Biostars forum for GOBLET. There was some
discussion as to whether the Biostars Q&A format is more suited to technical issues as
opposed to training discussions but we're going to try it out and see how it goes.
Eija Korpelainen will be getting in touch with István Albert to see about setting it up.
*2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training datasets*
GOBLET is going to try a pull and place model, in that it will pull from repos like GTN,
and they'll be talking to ELIXIR about TESS in relation to that. GOBLET will also be a
place to develop material and have it's own github repo. We got the ball rolling with
setting up a github during the meeting, now just need to sort out permissions and add
material :)
*3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push. *
Thanks to Dave, Bjoern and Bérénice for their slides, they were very useful for
illustrating the points.
*4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
Hopefully you all think we should, I do and I put my hand up to be on the GOBLET Outreach
and PR Committee so if you haven't heard from or about GOBLET in a year's time you
can throw some blame my way :)
To answer the question on what is the membership money used for, it's been used for
tech intern salary, admin support salary, server support, publicity, booth expenses, AGM.
One of the main things it'll be used for in the next year will be for a technical
intern to revamp the website and there'll be a survey sent to all GOBLET members so
they can give input on what the new website should look like. I could also post it here
when it's ready so GTN members can give their input if they want.
And it relation to trainer certification, that's in the too hard basket at the
moment.
If anyone has any questions or comments please let me know. I can also update GTN when
there's more to say.
Cheers,
Maria
Maria Doyle
Application and Training Specialist
Research Computing Facility
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Hi Maria -
ML = Mailing list
I think that a format such as Biostar is preferred because it is an ongoing, organized
forum that is easy/familiar for most people to use. Prior Q&A is easily tagged and
available for searches. Important info tends to get lost in mailing lists over time, which
leads to duplicated questions and more maintenance.
Honestly, I am not sure how Github would be used if the goal is to create a space for
discussion ... perhaps someone else can comment on that. Maybe a GH Wiki was the goal?
This could be complimentary to a forum, although it is possible to create semi-permanent
(yet editable) content within a forum that can be referenced for Q&A. News can also be
posted (updates, status, newsletters (?) ). All in one place is generally a good idea and
avoids content duplication. Any forum post could link to github repos containing the
actual training material.
Cheers!
Jen
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On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Doyle Maria
<Maria.Doyle@petermac.org<mailto:Maria.Doyle@petermac.org>> wrote:
Hello Dave, Hans-Rudolf, Bjoern and all,
I'm happy to raise those points on behalf of GTN if that's what we go with, I
just have a few questions on two of them.
> *1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
> /Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like solutions.)
> 1. Biostar
> 2. Github
> 3. ML
Excuse the ignorance but what is ML?
Were Biostar or any of these other options discussed at GOBLET last year? As if so were
there any specific objections to using them?
And why is Biostar deemed the best option?
> *2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
> datasets*
>
> /Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
>
> HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
> a year and report.
>
> /Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
> receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
> Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying to
> follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
> reasonable state to the end of the year.
Are we suggesting GOBLET set up a github too for material or would that just lead to
duplication? Or is it that GOBLET would collate and provide links to the various githubs
(Carpentry, ELIXIR etc)?
Cheers,
Maria
Maria Doyle
Application and Training Specialist
Research Computing Facility
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Am 01.11.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Dave Clements:
> Hi Hans-Rudolf, Maria, all
>
> The GOBLET meeting starts next Monday, which means we need to get this
> settled as soon as possible. So far their hasn't been much discussion,
> which means Hans-Rudolf and I get what we (/HRH+DC)/ want. I'd rather
> present what we (/GTN/) want. Which means we need your input now.
>
> If there's no discussion in the next 24 hours we'll go with what we
> have, which is below
>
> *1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.*
> /Biostar or Github recommended./ (I lean towards Biostar-like solutions.)
1. Biostar
2. Github
3. ML
> *2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training
> datasets*
>
> /Yes. Maybe even "Hell yes!"/
>
> HRH suggests pushing for this now, instead of proposing GTN try this for
> a year and report.
>
> /Maria, I suggest you push for whichever option you think they will
> receive better at the time (or suggest both as options)./
Yes please, https://github.com/bgruening/training-material is trying to
follow the Carpentry model already and we will make sure this is in a
reasonable state to the end of the year.
> *3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push. *
>
> Gosh this seemed like a good idea when it's implementation was a week in
> the future.
>
> Depending on discussion in the next day,
> /- I'll start working with Björn and Bérénice (and possibly HRH)
> tomorrow to get these done./
>
> *4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?*
> *
> *
> HRH asks two questions.
>
> Has GOBLET been in contact with GTN?
>
>
> They are in contact with me. I forward what I think are the interesting
> emails on to the Galaxy-Training list. Most of the significant ones
> were about workshops, either sponsored by GOBLET or relevant to GOBLET
> membership. There were also 2 editions of the new GOBLET Newsletter.
> Several of the events were directly relevant to GTN membership.
>
> I was also invited to consider running for a GOBLET office. I declined
> this as the offer came during a month when I was swamped, and trying to
> avoid commitments.
>
> What I haven't seen, outside of the events, is a call to action, such as:
> - advertise your event through GOBLET channels.
> - Share you materials through GOBLET.
> and so on. (Both those things are available, I just don't do them. )
>
> I want to know what is happing with this money
>
>
> My memory is that this is covered in detail at the GOBLET meeting. I
> suspect that this is already published online, and if it's not, I bet we
> could get them do it pretty easily.
>
> My Proposal:
> /1. GTN stays in GOBLET for another year./
+1
They are also trying to find a spot next to Carpentry, ELIXIR training
and GTN. -> tess ...
> /2. We let them know that we discuss this value proposition every year./
And let's ask them about the money and how this is spend.
Thanks,
Bjoern
> My 23¢,
>
> Dave C
>
>
>
> >
> > 1. Enable/Host online discussion about bioinformatics training.
> >
> > They could use the BioStar platform, and this would give all bioinformatics
trainers a platform to discuss questions. I think BioStar has been a huge win for the
Galaxy community.
>
> +1
>
> Yes, any kind of discussion forum would be nice….(see also point 2 )
>
>
> > 2. Embrace the Carpentry model for training material and training datasets
> >
> > Software and Data Carpentry put all their training materials in GitHub where
the trainer community can (and does) update the materials. The Galaxy training materials
hackathon earlier this month made significant progress on this very approach.
>
> and the nice thing about GitHub: it can also be used as a
> discussion forum (see point 1 )
>
> > Open Questions:
> >
> > A) Do we as a community believe that this is a worthwhile approach for
training materials?
> >
> > I'm pretty sure I speak for the Galaxy team when I say that we believe
it is. How do GTN members (and anyone on this mailing list) feel? There was a lot of
community participation in this month's contribution fest.
>
> +1
>
>
>
> > B) If we think it's a good approach, how can we argue it's good for
GOBLET as well?
> >
> > Something we could propose that gets GOBLET membership thinking, and
doesn't require them to actually do anything until the following year:
> >
> > Propose that GTN be a test case for this approach, and that we present our
experience and whatever best practices we've learned at the 2017 GOBLET meeting.
>
>
> why wait till 2017? I think we can already show now that this
> approach works.
>
>
>
> > 3. We prepare short presentations on whatever points we decide to push.
> >
> > Maria could show these when making presenting GTN's arguments. They
would need to be short.
> >
> > I could create one for the forum suggestion, Björn, Bérenice, and myself
could create one for the training materials proposal.
>
>
> +1
>
>
> > 4. Should GTN stay in GOBLET?
> >
> > We discussed this last year and decided to give it another year, which is
now almost done.
> >
> > Something that was supposed to happen, but that mostly did not, is that I
would be a lot more active in GOBLET. Besides passing on emails to this list, I don't
think I did this. So, 2016 may or may not have been our year to discover the greatness of
GOBLET, but given my inactivity, we just don't know.
>
>
> Well, we can ask the other way round as well: Has GOBLET been in
> contact with GTN?
>
>
>
>
> > GOBLET still strikes me as having great potential that it just hasn't
realized yet.
>
>
> +1
>
>
> > The yearly membership is €250. Last year this was paid by the Galaxy
Community Fund. If this group decides we should stay in GOBLET then I'll present a
funding request to them for 2017.
>
>
> I don’t want to debate whether 250 Euro is a lot of money or not. I
> want to know what is happing with this money
>
>
>
> > No matter what we decide we should let GOBLET know that we had this
discussion, and what points we came up with.
>
> +1
>
>
>
> Hans-Rudolf
>
>
>
>
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Hi Maria, all,
Maria, thanks for attending for putting forth the Galaxy Training
community's points. It sounds like it was a very successful meeting. I
particularly look forward to seeing how the Biostar forum does.
And thanks for volunteering for the GOBLET Outreach and PR Committee. I'll
do my best to secure a GTN GOBLET membership for 2017 (and I don't think
that will be difficult). Also, please let me/us know if we can support you
in that role in any way.
Finally,was a location for the GOBLET 2017 meeting set?
Thanks again,
Dave C
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