Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific.
Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D [ http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ | www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] Rejoignez-nous sur [ https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ | Facebook ] - Suivez-nous sur [ https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes | Twitter ]
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena
On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
- How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ?
- Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy)
- Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials
- Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ...
- Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic.
- How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare.
- Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above?
- Galaxy version upgrades
- How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version?
- What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility?
- How much time does an upgrade usually take?
- I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific.
Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D
www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ Rejoignez-nous sur Facebook https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/
- Suivez-nous sur Twitter https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes
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Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm.... Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille
On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena
On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
- How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ?
- Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy)
- Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials
- Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ...
- Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic.
- How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare.
- Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above?
- Galaxy version upgrades
- How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version?
- What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility?
- How much time does an upgrade usually take?
- I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific.
Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D
www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ Rejoignez-nous sur Facebook https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ - Suivez-nous sur Twitter https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes
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Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena
On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm.... Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille
On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena
On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
- How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ?
- Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy)
- Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials
- Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ...
- Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic.
- How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare.
- Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above?
- Galaxy version upgrades
- How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version?
- What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility?
- How much time does an upgrade usually take?
- I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific.
Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D
www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ Rejoignez-nous sur Facebook https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ - Suivez-nous sur Twitter https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes
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Hi Lucille, Helena, all,
Thank you very much for the initiative. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com À: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 12:47:34 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... ] . Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific. Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D [ http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ | www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] Rejoignez-nous sur [ https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ | Facebook ] - Suivez-nous sur [ https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes | Twitter ]
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BQ_END
Hi all,
* A draft of the poll is here [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... ] * Based on the [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | document ] , but I added some questions and rephrased/regrouped others. * If you have any last feedback on missing questions etc., then please reply and I will modify it on Monday * As such, please don't answer yet as the poll might slightly change by Monday (I am OoO this afternoon) * I will send a new email when it's finalised on Monday * Lucille and I chose Framaforms (linked to Framasoft, a French non-profit) so as to not use Google for everything * The form is publicly available, and doesn't require any login to complete * The first page contains an ID field, which is optional * In fact, every field is optional, and some could legitimately have "0" as a value, so I put some default values like "-1" * The results will be publicly available in [ https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results | https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results ] * If this is problematic (confidential information), then I can make the results private. Please let me know. * (Small detail: I deleted a few of my mock submission results, so the results will not be indexed starting at 1). * I commit to making, and sending the group, a clean export of the results at the end of the survey * Just in case the default Framaforms report has some graphical glitches because of the "-1" values etc.
Thank you,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr À: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 13:42:18 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, Helena, all,
Thank you very much for the initiative. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com À: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 12:47:34 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... ] . Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific. Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D [ http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ | www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] Rejoignez-nous sur [ https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ | Facebook ] - Suivez-nous sur [ https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes | Twitter ]
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BQ_END
Hi all,
* The finalised poll is [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (same as Friday since no emails since then) * The public results are [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (available if and only if you are not logged in) * The poll was extended to be -hopefully- be more useful to the wider community (when published afterwards) and not just for me * I suggest letting it run for 2 weeks
Thank you to anyone who takes the time to answer any of the questions - they are all optional so you can skip as many as you want. If you want to answer in several sessions, you need to create an account on Framaforms so it can save a draft of your questions (a "Enregistrer le brouillon" button then appears bottom-left of every page).
Regards,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr À: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Février 2024 12:24:43 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi all,
* A draft of the poll is here [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... ] * Based on the [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | document ] , but I added some questions and rephrased/regrouped others. * If you have any last feedback on missing questions etc., then please reply and I will modify it on Monday * As such, please don't answer yet as the poll might slightly change by Monday (I am OoO this afternoon) * I will send a new email when it's finalised on Monday * Lucille and I chose Framaforms (linked to Framasoft, a French non-profit) so as to not use Google for everything * The form is publicly available, and doesn't require any login to complete * The first page contains an ID field, which is optional * In fact, every field is optional, and some could legitimately have "0" as a value, so I put some default values like "-1" * The results will be publicly available in [ https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results | https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results ] * If this is problematic (confidential information), then I can make the results private. Please let me know. * (Small detail: I deleted a few of my mock submission results, so the results will not be indexed starting at 1). * I commit to making, and sending the group, a clean export of the results at the end of the survey * Just in case the default Framaforms report has some graphical glitches because of the "-1" values etc.
Thank you,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr À: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 13:42:18 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, Helena, all,
Thank you very much for the initiative. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com À: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 12:47:34 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... ] . Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific. Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D [ http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ | www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] Rejoignez-nous sur [ https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ | Facebook ] - Suivez-nous sur [ https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes | Twitter ]
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BQ_END
Is it OK to share this to the admins matrix channel? I think it might get us some more data points :)
(Is there a way to link the form that uses english for the website, an hl=en type parameter? just before the link is shared.)
On 2/5/24 09:10, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Hi all,
- The finalised poll is here https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-optional-1706808618 (same as Friday since no emails since then)
- The public results are here https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-optional-1706808618/public-results (available if and only if you are not logged in)
- The poll was extended to be -hopefully- be more useful to the wider community (when published afterwards) and not just for me
- I suggest letting it run for 2 weeks
Thank you to anyone who takes the time to answer any of the questions
- they are all optional so you can skip as many as you want.
If you want to answer in several sessions, you need to create an account on Framaforms so it can save a draft of your questions (a "Enregistrer le brouillon" button then appears bottom-left of every page).
Regards,
Vlad
*De: *"VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr *À: *"Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com *Cc: *"Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org *Envoyé: *Vendredi 2 Février 2024 12:24:43 *Objet: *Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi all,
A draft of the poll is here https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti...
o Based on the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDmLv8/edit, but I added some questions and rephrased/regrouped others.
If you have any last feedback on missing questions etc., then please reply and I will modify it on Monday o As such, please don't answer yet as the poll might slightly change by Monday (I am OoO this afternoon) o I will send a new email when it's finalised on Monday
Lucille and I chose Framaforms (linked to Framasoft, a French non-profit) so as to not use Google for everything
The form is publicly available, and doesn't require any login to complete
The first page contains an ID field, which is optional o In fact, every field is optional, and some could legitimately have "0" as a value, so I put some default values like "-1"
The results will be publicly available in https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results o If this is problematic (confidential information), then I can make the results private. Please let me know. o (Small detail: I deleted a few of my mock submission results, so the results will not be indexed starting at 1).
I commit to making, and sending the group, a clean export of the results at the end of the survey o Just in case the default Framaforms report has some graphical glitches because of the "-1" values etc.
Thank you,
Vlad
*De: *"VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr *À: *"Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com *Cc: *"Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org *Envoyé: *Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 13:42:18 *Objet: *Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, Helena, all,
Thank you very much for the initiative. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Regards,
Vlad
*De: *"Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com *À: *"Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org *Envoyé: *Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 12:47:34 *Objet: *[Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena
On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
Hi all, Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDmLv8/edit?usp=sharing. Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN. Regards, Lucille On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote: Dear SSAs, I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before, Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :) Regards, Helena On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote: Dear Small-Scale Admins, Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting. In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer: 1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific. Thank you, Regards, Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG Bureau 106 OSUG D www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr <http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/> Rejoignez-nous sur Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/> - Suivez-nous sur Twitter <https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes> _______________________________________________ Small-scale-admins mailing list --small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org To unsubscribe send an email tosmall-scale-admins-leave@lists.galaxyproject.org _______________________________________________ Small-scale-admins mailing list --small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org To unsubscribe send an email tosmall-scale-admins-leave@lists.galaxyproject.org -- Lucille Delisle, PhD PostDoc Duboule Lab Laboratory of Developmental Genomics EPFL SV ISREC UPDUB SV 2843 CH-1015 Lausanne Tel : +41 21 693 97 08 _______________________________________________ Small-scale-admins mailing list --small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org To unsubscribe send an email tosmall-scale-admins-leave@lists.galaxyproject.org
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Hi Helena, all,
Thank you for the suggestion. I put a message [ https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$mUudNQ1w7o2Wkk-bguFP2CBBM... | here ] with some translation help.
Thanks to the people that answered.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com À: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2024 10:31:03 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Is it OK to share this to the admins matrix channel? I think it might get us some more data points :)
(Is there a way to link the form that uses english for the website, an hl=en type parameter? just before the link is shared.) On 2/5/24 09:10, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Hi all,
* The finalised poll is [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (same as Friday since no emails since then) * The public results are [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (available if and only if you are not logged in) * The poll was extended to be -hopefully- be more useful to the wider community (when published afterwards) and not just for me * I suggest letting it run for 2 weeks Thank you to anyone who takes the time to answer any of the questions - they are all optional so you can skip as many as you want. If you want to answer in several sessions, you need to create an account on Framaforms so it can save a draft of your questions (a "Enregistrer le brouillon" button then appears bottom-left of every page).
Regards,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" [ mailto:vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] À: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] Cc: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Février 2024 12:24:43 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi all,
* A draft of the poll is here [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... ] * Based on the [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | document ] , but I added some questions and rephrased/regrouped others. * If you have any last feedback on missing questions etc., then please reply and I will modify it on Monday * As such, please don't answer yet as the poll might slightly change by Monday (I am OoO this afternoon) * I will send a new email when it's finalised on Monday * Lucille and I chose Framaforms (linked to Framasoft, a French non-profit) so as to not use Google for everything * The form is publicly available, and doesn't require any login to complete * The first page contains an ID field, which is optional * In fact, every field is optional, and some could legitimately have "0" as a value, so I put some default values like "-1" * The results will be publicly available in [ https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results | https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results ] * If this is problematic (confidential information), then I can make the results private. Please let me know. * (Small detail: I deleted a few of my mock submission results, so the results will not be indexed starting at 1). * I commit to making, and sending the group, a clean export of the results at the end of the survey * Just in case the default Framaforms report has some graphical glitches because of the "-1" values etc.
Thank you,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" [ mailto:vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] À: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] Cc: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 13:42:18 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, Helena, all,
Thank you very much for the initiative. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] À: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 12:47:34 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... ] . Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific. Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D [ http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ | www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] Rejoignez-nous sur [ https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ | Facebook ] - Suivez-nous sur [ https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes | Twitter ]
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BQ_END
Hi all,
Here is a first draft of the report of the poll; open to your feedback before finalising.
For those that answered the « end-user support/assistance » question :
* I worded that part incorrectly, which made it confusing to answer *
Because of that, no-one left comments for that part specifically (but did for every other part). *
if you want to add some comments, I remade a tiny poll with just that one question here [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-end-user-supportassistance-... | https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-end-user-supportassistance-... ] that I will close on Sunday 25 Feb evening / Monday 26 Feb. morning
Should I upload the report on the SSA github ?
*
As well as the other files (an export of the poll itself, as well as the .ODT of the report and a .ODS with the results, maybe the R script)?
Regards,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr À: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2024 11:50:18 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Helena, all,
Thank you for the suggestion. I put a message [ https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$mUudNQ1w7o2Wkk-bguFP2CBBM... | here ] with some translation help.
Thanks to the people that answered.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com À: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2024 10:31:03 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Is it OK to share this to the admins matrix channel? I think it might get us some more data points :)
(Is there a way to link the form that uses english for the website, an hl=en type parameter? just before the link is shared.) On 2/5/24 09:10, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Hi all,
* The finalised poll is [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (same as Friday since no emails since then) * The public results are [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (available if and only if you are not logged in) * The poll was extended to be -hopefully- be more useful to the wider community (when published afterwards) and not just for me * I suggest letting it run for 2 weeks Thank you to anyone who takes the time to answer any of the questions - they are all optional so you can skip as many as you want. If you want to answer in several sessions, you need to create an account on Framaforms so it can save a draft of your questions (a "Enregistrer le brouillon" button then appears bottom-left of every page).
Regards,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" [ mailto:vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] À: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] Cc: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Février 2024 12:24:43 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi all,
* A draft of the poll is here [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... ] * Based on the [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | document ] , but I added some questions and rephrased/regrouped others. * If you have any last feedback on missing questions etc., then please reply and I will modify it on Monday * As such, please don't answer yet as the poll might slightly change by Monday (I am OoO this afternoon) * I will send a new email when it's finalised on Monday * Lucille and I chose Framaforms (linked to Framasoft, a French non-profit) so as to not use Google for everything * The form is publicly available, and doesn't require any login to complete * The first page contains an ID field, which is optional * In fact, every field is optional, and some could legitimately have "0" as a value, so I put some default values like "-1" * The results will be publicly available in [ https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results | https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results ] * If this is problematic (confidential information), then I can make the results private. Please let me know. * (Small detail: I deleted a few of my mock submission results, so the results will not be indexed starting at 1). * I commit to making, and sending the group, a clean export of the results at the end of the survey * Just in case the default Framaforms report has some graphical glitches because of the "-1" values etc.
Thank you,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" [ mailto:vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] À: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] Cc: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 13:42:18 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, Helena, all,
Thank you very much for the initiative. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] À: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 12:47:34 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... ] . Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific. Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
Bureau 106 OSUG D [ http://www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/ | www.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] Rejoignez-nous sur [ https://www.facebook.com/UGrenobleAlpes/ | Facebook ] - Suivez-nous sur [ https://twitter.com/UGrenobleAlpes | Twitter ]
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BQ_END
Hi all,
(Re-posting here for those that don't use Matrix)
Currently publishing the SSA poll report as a DOI (on HAL for the report, on [ http://recherche.data.gouv.fr/ | recherche.data.gouv.fr ] for the raw data).
For those that want to be added as respondents, please let me know and maybe send me your ORCID.
Not all publication websites have roles at all, or the “respondent” role specifically, though. So it might just be as a generic contributor/co-author, but I will be as specific as the websites let me be.
Also, the dataset itself is anonymised (I removed the column with the ID) no matter what.
E nd of day Thursday 14 March: I will assume that anyone that hasn’t replied by then, doesn’t want to be referenced.
Thank you,
Vlad
PS: most recent version of the report [ https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$idAd5MDqmNIJDzVmXwo9ZXh8F... | here ]
De: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr À: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Mardi 20 Février 2024 18:25:45 Objet: {Spam?}[Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi all,
Here is a first draft of the report of the poll; open to your feedback before finalising.
For those that answered the « end-user support/assistance » question :
* I worded that part incorrectly, which made it confusing to answer *
Because of that, no-one left comments for that part specifically (but did for every other part). *
if you want to add some comments, I remade a tiny poll with just that one question here [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-end-user-supportassistance-... | https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-end-user-supportassistance-... ] that I will close on Sunday 25 Feb evening / Monday 26 Feb. morning
Should I upload the report on the SSA github ?
*
As well as the other files (an export of the poll itself, as well as the .ODT of the report and a .ODS with the results, maybe the R script)?
Regards,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr À: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2024 11:50:18 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Helena, all,
Thank you for the suggestion. I put a message [ https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$mUudNQ1w7o2Wkk-bguFP2CBBM... | here ] with some translation help.
Thanks to the people that answered.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" helena.rasche@gmail.com À: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr Cc: "Delisle Lucille" lucille.delisle@epfl.ch, "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Mercredi 7 Février 2024 10:31:03 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Is it OK to share this to the admins matrix channel? I think it might get us some more data points :)
(Is there a way to link the form that uses english for the website, an hl=en type parameter? just before the link is shared.) On 2/5/24 09:10, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Hi all,
* The finalised poll is [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (same as Friday since no emails since then) * The public results are [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | here ] (available if and only if you are not logged in) * The poll was extended to be -hopefully- be more useful to the wider community (when published afterwards) and not just for me * I suggest letting it run for 2 weeks Thank you to anyone who takes the time to answer any of the questions - they are all optional so you can skip as many as you want. If you want to answer in several sessions, you need to create an account on Framaforms so it can save a draft of your questions (a "Enregistrer le brouillon" button then appears bottom-left of every page).
Regards,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" [ mailto:vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] À: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] Cc: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Février 2024 12:24:43 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi all,
* A draft of the poll is here [ https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... | https://framaforms.org/galaxy-small-scale-admins-poll-all-questions-are-opti... ] * Based on the [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | document ] , but I added some questions and rephrased/regrouped others. * If you have any last feedback on missing questions etc., then please reply and I will modify it on Monday * As such, please don't answer yet as the poll might slightly change by Monday (I am OoO this afternoon) * I will send a new email when it's finalised on Monday * Lucille and I chose Framaforms (linked to Framasoft, a French non-profit) so as to not use Google for everything * The form is publicly available, and doesn't require any login to complete * The first page contains an ID field, which is optional * In fact, every field is optional, and some could legitimately have "0" as a value, so I put some default values like "-1" * The results will be publicly available in [ https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results | https://framaforms.org/node/889004/webform-results ] * If this is problematic (confidential information), then I can make the results private. Please let me know. * (Small detail: I deleted a few of my mock submission results, so the results will not be indexed starting at 1). * I commit to making, and sending the group, a clean export of the results at the end of the survey * Just in case the default Framaforms report has some graphical glitches because of the "-1" values etc.
Thank you,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" [ mailto:vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] À: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] Cc: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 13:42:18 Objet: Re: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, Helena, all,
Thank you very much for the initiative. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Helena Rasche" [ mailto:helena.rasche@gmail.com | helena.rasche@gmail.com ] À: "Delisle Lucille" [ mailto:lucille.delisle@epfl.ch | lucille.delisle@epfl.ch ] , "small-scale-admins" [ mailto:small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org | small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org ] Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Janvier 2024 12:47:34 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Lucille, All,
That's a fantastic idea! Thank you for taking the initiative :)
mvg, Helena On 1/25/24 12:43, Delisle Lucille via Small-scale-admins wrote:
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Hi all,
Indeed Helena, gathering answers and publish them to the GTN would make sense. What about setting up a poll (slightly more general)? Anyone interested can contribute to make the poll at [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rH-UxSKAvNNKRMT-_9vxwKcX60f6P3xg754kkMDm... ] . Then, in one week we send the poll link to the mailing list and we publish the result in the FAQs of the GTN.
Regards,
Lucille On 1/25/24 12:35, Helena Rasche wrote:
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Dear SSAs,
I missed the meeting but I feel like I've heard these questions a few times before,
Can we perhaps organise some of them into FAQs for the Galaxy Admin Training? If the community-sourced answers are written down somewhere I can make the PR :)
Regards, Helena On 1/25/24 12:29, VLAD VISAN wrote:
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Dear Small-Scale Admins,
Thank you for the advice during last week's meeting.
In the event we choose Galaxy (which we are leaning towards), I would be responsible for setting up the Galaxy instance as well as the initial maintenance. While a sysadmin would do the long-term maintenance. As such, we were wondering, in your experience, for those who wish to answer:
1. How many hours per week are necessary for purely admin-related maintenance on a local Galaxy instance (used by let's say 50 users) ? * Not the time for developing custom tools, as users would be expected to do that (they already do this outside of Galaxy) * Not the time for end-user assistance, as we plan to create in-house tutorials * Just the time necessary for e.g. restarting Galaxy, creating a back-up of it's database, repairing in case of a crash, ... * Ideally this time would be low or even zero outside of upgrades. But that is probably being idealistic. 2. How stable is Galaxy? I imagine crashes are rare. 3. Are there any time-consuming admin. tasks that I am not aware of/did not mention above? 4. Galaxy version upgrades 1. How often is it recommended to upgrade the Galaxy version? 2. What are the consequences of not upgrading for a while, apart from Python min/max version incompatibility? 3. How much time does an upgrade usually take? 4. I am also worried that if I fork Galaxy to modify the engine (which I plan to do slightly) there will be merge conflicts in the future. This would make upgrades even harder, but I don't see a way around it. Apart from maybe proposing the features to be merged into the main Galaxy repo, although they may be too specific. Thank you,
Regards,
Vlad Visan Ingénieur de Recherche - OSUG
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Hi all,
(Re-posting here for those that don't use Matrix. Had to remove the previous e-mails otherwise the message was too large and got rejected.)
Currently publishing the SSA poll report as a DOI (on HAL for the report, on [ http://recherche.data.gouv.fr/ | recherche.data.gouv.fr ] for the raw data).
For those that want to be added as respondents, please let me know and maybe send me your ORCID.
Not all publication websites have roles at all, or the “respondent” role specifically, though. So it might just be as a generic contributor/co-author, but I will be as specific as the websites let me be.
Also, the dataset itself is anonymised (I removed the column with the ID) no matter what.
E nd of day Thursday 14 March: I will assume that anyone that hasn’t replied by then, doesn’t want to be referenced.
Thank you,
Vlad
PS: most recent version of the report [ https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$idAd5MDqmNIJDzVmXwo9ZXh8F... | here ]
Hi Vlad
may I suggest to postpone the 'deadline' to Thursday March 21st? So, it will coincide with our next meeting (https://galaxyproject.org/events/2024-03-small-scale/)
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
On 07.03.2024 10:41, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Hi all,
(Re-posting here for those that don't use Matrix. Had to remove the previous e-mails otherwise the message was too large and got rejected.)
Currently publishing the SSA poll report as a DOI (on HAL for the report, on recherche.data.gouv.fr http://recherche.data.gouv.fr/ for the raw data).
For those that want to be added as respondents, please let me know and maybe send me your ORCID.
Not all publication websites have roles at all, or the “respondent” rolespecifically, though. So it might just be as a generic contributor/co-author, but I will be as specific as the websites let me be.
Also, the dataset itself is anonymised (I removed the column with the ID) no matter what.
End of day Thursday 14 March: I will assume that anyone that hasn’t replied by then, doesn’t want to be referenced.
Thank you,
Vlad
PS: most recent version of the report here https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$idAd5MDqmNIJDzVmXwo9ZXh8FoByLyuzyHXAIkLkj7U?via=matrix.org&via=gitter.im
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Hi Hans-Rudolf, all,
Yes, of course, good idea for the revised deadline. I will be at that meeting.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Hans-Rudolf Hotz" hrh@fmi.ch À: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr Cc: "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 7 Mars 2024 11:22:26 Objet: Re: Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Vlad
may I suggest to postpone the 'deadline' to Thursday March 21st? So, it will coincide with our next meeting (https://galaxyproject.org/events/2024-03-small-scale/)
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
On 07.03.2024 10:41, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Hi all,
(Re-posting here for those that don't use Matrix. Had to remove the previous e-mails otherwise the message was too large and got rejected.)
Currently publishing the SSA poll report as a DOI (on HAL for the report, on recherche.data.gouv.fr http://recherche.data.gouv.fr/ for the raw data).
For those that want to be added as respondents, please let me know and maybe send me your ORCID.
Not all publication websites have roles at all, or the “respondent” rolespecifically, though. So it might just be as a generic contributor/co-author, but I will be as specific as the websites let me be.
Also, the dataset itself is anonymised (I removed the column with the ID) no matter what.
End of day Thursday 14 March: I will assume that anyone that hasn’t replied by then, doesn’t want to be referenced.
Thank you,
Vlad
PS: most recent version of the report here https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$idAd5MDqmNIJDzVmXwo9ZXh8FoByLyuzyHXAIkLkj7U?via=matrix.org&via=gitter.im
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Hi all,
Just a time-related update: I aim to finish the slides and the report publication by mid-April. I want to finish it ASAP, but am currently facing a deadline on my main project. I'll message again when finished or if I get stuck submitting the slides etc.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr À: "Hans-Rudolf Hotz" hrh@fmi.ch Cc: "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 7 Mars 2024 12:41:52 Objet: [Small-scale-admins] Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Hans-Rudolf, all,
Yes, of course, good idea for the revised deadline. I will be at that meeting.
Regards,
Vlad
De: "Hans-Rudolf Hotz" hrh@fmi.ch À: "VLAD VISAN" vlad.visan@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr Cc: "small-scale-admins" small-scale-admins@lists.galaxyproject.org Envoyé: Jeudi 7 Mars 2024 11:22:26 Objet: Re: Re: Time per week necessary for admin
Hi Vlad
may I suggest to postpone the 'deadline' to Thursday March 21st? So, it will coincide with our next meeting (https://galaxyproject.org/events/2024-03-small-scale/)
Regards, Hans-Rudolf
On 07.03.2024 10:41, VLAD VISAN wrote:
Hi all,
(Re-posting here for those that don't use Matrix. Had to remove the previous e-mails otherwise the message was too large and got rejected.)
Currently publishing the SSA poll report as a DOI (on HAL for the report, on recherche.data.gouv.fr http://recherche.data.gouv.fr/ for the raw data).
For those that want to be added as respondents, please let me know and maybe send me your ORCID.
Not all publication websites have roles at all, or the “respondent” rolespecifically, though. So it might just be as a generic contributor/co-author, but I will be as specific as the websites let me be.
Also, the dataset itself is anonymised (I removed the column with the ID) no matter what.
End of day Thursday 14 March: I will assume that anyone that hasn’t replied by then, doesn’t want to be referenced.
Thank you,
Vlad
PS: most recent version of the report here https://matrix.to/#/!rfLDbcWEWZapZrujix:gitter.im/$idAd5MDqmNIJDzVmXwo9ZXh8FoByLyuzyHXAIkLkj7U?via=matrix.org&via=gitter.im
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